Lipo safety on a budget


After a spate of battery fires in my area I decided that I need a lipo fire box.
I’m saving up for a shed so decided to try and do this with no budget.
Lipo thermal runaway fires rage at 600C or more and go on for a long time, especially if the fire spreads to other batteries. That is enough energy to start a serious fire, so I did some research into materials.
I settled on a design that features an external steel layer (the thicker the better), a middle layer of high temperature insulator and a heat resistant ceramic inner layer.
I found the steel pretty quickly - there was a 4ft batten housing in a skip made of thick steel, probably 1.5mm, and there are also a lot of fridges in people’s front gardens.
I found the ceramic after a bit more hunting. People discard old tiles quite regularly.
The insulator was harder. I thought I might find some vermiculite or fire brick scraps but, given the price, I think builders tend to re-use it. And in London virtually nobody has fireplaces.
I opted for some ceramic wool, which was about 11 quid for a 1000x600mm piece, 25mm thick. Outrageous. But it might be enough for two boxes.
I then got embroiled in various DIY projects around the house, so instead of making my own steel housing I bought a steel ammo box rom an army surplus website (10.95 including postage from militaryKit.com). The steel is not as thick as I would like (0.8mm) and the lid is overkill, but it is well built.
The box will need some vents cut into it so that hot expanding gases from a thermal runaway fire don’t blow it open.
I don’t have quite enough tiles yet to make separate tile/wool compartments for my 6s lipos. I also want to surround the ceramic wool with tiles, gluing them together with fire cement, so that it’s all enclosed. It’s not said to be carcinogenic but I get itchy just from looking at it.
The wool and fire cement are described as being capable of withstanding 1200C, tiles can (probably?) withstand a similar temperature as long as they are facing with the unglazed side towards the batteries.
If I find some vermiculite sheeting I’ll build the next box using that, as it is thinner.
The whole thing is isloated with a scrounged baking tray from my wooden shelf. In case of fire I have a long rod on standby so I can pick up the box by the handle and take it outside to roast away on the pavement .
Total cost: 22 quid.

Please note: I’m not a professional and my knowledge of fire containment is based on basic safety knowledge and manufacturer-declared materials parameters.
This setup is based on housing 2 6S lipos and 20 1S lipos.
Feedback is welcome.

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Many many years ago I was obsessed with a Computer Build that fit the whole thing into a ammo box so that they could transport it for LAN gaming. This was 20+ years ago.

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That’s a cool project. Did you make one?
I’d think you would need a big ammo box for cooling, but they come in all sorts of sizes.
Old PCs can make good LiPo boxes. I found a couple since I bought the ammo box and the steel of the folded outer cover is pretty thick. The steel is relatively easy to cut, and you can assemble it into a box with steel corner joints, screws and a bit of drilling.
I’m going for an interview this weekend at my local tool library, which will hopefully give me access to a ceramic saw so I can cut tiles to the perfect size.

I have a couple if LiPo bags and an old lockable metal cash box with compartments to store batteries and keep it in a loo (nothing really flammable) in a side extension to the main house.

I guess that gives you quite a bit of protection.
The box might need some holes so it doesn’t explode, and it shouldn’t stand on carpet.
I am sceptical of lipo bags, particularly the inexpensive generic ones. They might be made of heat resistant fabric, but it tends to be on the thin side, and the stitching will not withstand a fire because it’s too thin. And there’s no insulation. So they are unlikely to stop fire spreading to other batteries or allow you to evacuate a battery - especially as they typically have no handles. Then again, that is probably too risky to attempt anyway, unless the fire is likely to spread.
Using them as an additional layer as you are is probably the best approach, but in the unlikely event of a battery fire you will lose all of your cells.